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From: mitch@well.UUCP (Mitchell Waite)
Date: 5 Mar 88 07:29:15 GMT
>
Frankly, I want one of those, too [advanced book on HyperTalk]. But that doesn't
denigrate a book like Shafer's, which, AS AN INTRODUCTORY TEXT, does its job
well. I've been using it as the "sit in my lap while I hack" book since I got
it. I can find things, and I've yet to run into a problem in the book I consider
a killer.
>
Judging a book being used in your "lap as you hack" is not a true measure of its
effectiveness in teaching HyperTalk programming. That is what Winkler is trying
to say in his message. Glib statements like this are no way to review a book.
Try using it in a classs of 40 students to teach them HyperTalk and see if how
good it works. Just as you claim Dan has a certain idea of what he wants, so do
you. I say there is a need that is bigger than you or Dan and its what people
want. Are you good at figuring that out. If so you could become very rich as an
author.
>
)The first book out on HyperTalk was from Walking Shadow Press: "Programming
with
)HyperTalk". The Walking Shadow book is distributed by a couple guys at Apple
and
)to this day has no real distribution in book stores and so is not really a
vald
)entry (yet).
Not really true. it's now out, you can get it at Computer Literacy, at
Stacey's in Palo Alto, and at ComputerWare.
>
Distribution means available in all the book chains across the United States,
all the bookstores, and distributors around the world. That book can't be found
in those stores.
>
Goodman is stronger as a reference, if you can find what you're looking for
>
Goodman's book strong as a reference. Give me a break! Its the worse example of
a reference I have ever seen. Major concepts are missing in the reference
sections, there are hardly any real world examples, the organization is the
pits, no bugs are mentioned, etc.
>
The Waite Group's "Tricks of the Unix Masters" which I found to be neither
tricky or full of much in the way of secrets, but rather shallow and naive.
>
One man's tricks is another man's introduction. I have reviews from various
magazines that say they love this book because the examples are so deep and
useful. Since its selling well, and there is plenty of competion, I assume we
picked just the right blend. If I am wrong, hey, go write a better book.
>
Actually, what I'd really like to see is a compendium of the best bits and
pieces from the best HyperTalk authors on the various nets. The HyperTalk
cookbook. So if you need a button that flashes twice, changes icons, and
irons your shirt, you can go to chapter 12 of the cookbook and find the
script. THAT would be the most useful HyperTalk book of all. descriptive,
full of examples, and detailed.
>
Such a cookbook as you describe it would have lots of shallow examples. I think
more people are interested in shortcuts, tricks, tips, utilities, things to
watch out for, and mostly ways to increase the power of their programming
effort. The Waite Group's Tricks of the HyperTalk Masters, which was announced
on this net two months ago, will be a book like that. My Script Doctor column in
HyperAge magazine is based on ideas developed for that book. Next month we'll
show how to make PolyButtons (multi-sided buttons) in PURE (no xcmds up my
sleeve) HyperTalk. This is a great utility for gquickly making odd shaped
graphic objects to respond to mouseDowns.
BTW: The HyperTalk Bible will be out in the fall of this year, Tricks of the
HyperTalk Masters early 89. I know, I know, its a long time away. Thats
publishing.
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Re: HyperTalk Books, How to Judge?